Till today this Day of Karbala is ‘celebrated’ by the Shiites. They have never forgiven their enemies and vow to one day seek revenge for what they did to Ali. This is why the Sunnis like the Malaysian Muslims fear the Shiites.
THE CORRIDORS OF POWER
Raja Petra Kamarudin
The AFP report below is most interesting. This is probably the first time that the issue has been brought out into the open and so we can now debate the issue. And the fact that a comment has been made by the newly installed, albeit controversial, Selangor State Secretary means it is very difficult to not debate the matter.
The issue of ‘deviant’ Muslims is not new and has been a problem for almost 1,400 years -- since the time of the death of Prophet Muhammad. I have in fact written about this many times although many feel I am not qualified to write about Islam or that I am distorting the truth. Actually, I am not writing about Islam from the theological angle. I am writing about history and you do not need to go to religious school to understand history.
As much as Muslims may disagree with me or resent what I say, we can’t deny one very important fact. And that is Ali, the Fourth Caliph of Medina, who was also the Prophet’s cousin and son-in-law, was in conflict with Aishah, the Prophet’s youngest wife and daughter of Abu Bakar, the First Caliph.
They can say that I am lying or distorting the truth and that the Prophet’s widow and son-in-law did not have ‘bad blood’. In that case how do you explain the War of the Camel where Aishah led a Muslim army from Mekah to attack Medina? And did not Aishah lose that war? And did not Ali capture Aishah and sent her back to Medina a free woman? And did not Ali’s followers get angry and many abandoned him for not upholding the law?
The law of that time was if you rebelled against the Ruler then you would be put to death and your family would be sold into slavery and your property would be confiscated. This was the law of the land then but Ali did not impose this on Aishah. That was why Ali lost support and many supporters abandoned him for not upholding the law and for showing favouritism towards Aishah, his stepmother.
There was another war that Ali was engaged in -- also Muslims versus Muslims -- and this was the war against Baghdad, who wanted the Islamic Empire to shift from Medina to Baghdad.
Eventually, Ali was assassinated and his supporters formed a movement or political party that was called Shiatul Ali or the Party of Ali, now known as Shiite for short. And Ali’s son, Hassan, was asked to head the movement.
Hassan too was assassinated and the supporters then approached Hussein, Hassan’s younger brother, and asked him to take over the leadership. Hussein was reluctant at first but eventually agreed.
Hussein was asked to invade Baghdad, which had broken away from Medina and had proclaimed independence under its own Umayyad Caliph. Ali was promised the support of the entire Muslim community but when he marched on Baghdad on 10 October 680 no one joined him and his ‘army’ of less than 100 soldiers was massacred by the 1,000 strong Umayyad army.
Till today this Day of Karbala is ‘celebrated’ by the Shiites. They have never forgiven their enemies and vow to one day seek revenge for what they did to Ali. This is why the Sunnis like the Malaysian Muslims fear the Shiites.
But this was not the only conflict between Sunni Muslims and those of the other sects. When the Wahab-Saud Alliance swept across the Arabian Peninsular soon after World War I, all those not of the Wahhabi sect were put to death (Jews and Christians were spared though, only Muslims were butchered). That is why the Sunnis fear the Wahhabis as well.
Actually, whether it is Sunnis, Shiites, Wahhabis, or whatever, they all profess to being Muslims. But they are Muslims of different sects. The only thing is these different sects came about because of politics and the political struggle to dominate the Middle Eastern region (was this not true of the Jews and Christians as well?).
Malaysian Muslims might regard the Shiites, Wahhabis, or those from the other sects, as deviants. The other sects also regard Malaysian Muslims as deviants. All Muslims regard those not of their sect as deviants. So, if all Muslims are deviants in each other’s eyes, then who are the true Muslims? It appears like no one is a true Muslim if you consider the views of the Muslims themselves.
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(AFP) - Like other Muslims they read the Koran and face Mecca to pray, but the Shiite community in Malaysia is considered a "deviant sect" and faces harassment in the multicultural country.
Religious authorities in December arrested 200 Shiites as they observed the holy day of Ashura, accusing them of threatening national security in a country where most of the 16.5 million Muslims are members of the Sunni sect.
The majority of those detained were Muslim Malays - who dominate the Malaysian population - joined by followers from Indonesia, Burma, Pakistan and Iran.
Former state religious department head Mohammed Khusrin Munawi, who led the December 16 raid, said that the faith, if left to grow, could undermine security as "fanatical followers of the sect consider other Muslims infidels".
"For them, the blood of the followers of other faiths is lawful which means that it is okay to kill (Sunnis)," he told the Utusan Malaysia newspaper.
"Shiite doctrine is more dangerous than other deviant teachings (as)... Shiite followers in Iran and India are fighting against other Muslims merely because of different faiths," he said.
The split dates back to a dispute over succession after the death of the Prophet Muhammad in 632.
In a country where non-Muslims are constitutionally free to practice their faith, the crackdown on an Islamic sect, which forms the majority in other countries, including Iran and Iraq, has raised concerns.
"Everyone in the country should have freedom of worship," Reverend Thomas Philips, head of the country's largest inter-religious council, told AFP.
"But in the Muslim context in Malaysia, they have a different understanding and so it is a very sensitive issue."
The estimated 40,000 Shiites in Malaysia are one of several Islamic sects under close watch by religious authorities, who crack down hard on so-called deviant Islamic groups.
A 1989 Islamic law and a 1996 fatwa by Malaysia's top Islamic clerics banned Shiism, declaring it a deviant ideology.
Malaysia has a dual-track legal system, with civil courts running in parallel with Islamic Sharia courts where Muslim Malays can be tried on religious and moral charges.
However, Chandra Muzaffar, head of rights group Just, says that religious officials are abusing their power.
"The Shiites are not deviants, they are very much part of the Muslim community and if you deny them, then you are saying that 15 percent of Muslims worldwide are also deviant," he said.
"They follow almost all the tenets of the majority Sunni sect and the differences are more political and historical so we should engage them through dialogue rather than carry out raids, arrest and prosecute them."
Kamil Zuhairi Abdul Aziz, 45, the Iranian-trained leader of the Hauzah ar-Redha or "Knowledge House" raided by authorities in December, says they are forced to practice their faith quietly.
"We are Muslims just like any other Muslims in the country but we live in fear as we are constantly attacked verbally and are often arrested and detained by authorities," he told AFP after prayers at the hauzah, the biggest of 40 Shiite community halls throughout the country.
"Shiism came to the shores of Malaysia in the 14th century when Islam arrived here as many of the Arabic, Indian and Persian traders who brought the religion were also Shiites.
"The authorities must recognise that we are not a recent phenomenon and that we should be respected just like any other faith in the country," he said in the hall filled with religious banners and pictures of Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
"We do not believe in bloodshed or that we are justified in killing anyone but yet these are the lies spread about us."
Community elder Muhammad Hassan, 72, said the last waves of arrests of Shiite followers in Malaysia came in 1997 and 2001.
He says his grandchildren are discriminated against in school and higher learning institutions, where religious teachers "criticise Shiites openly although they don't even understand or are bothered to even study our teachings."
State religious department head Marzuki Hussin told AFP "the bottom line is that Shiism clashes with Islam in Malaysia and so it cannot be allowed to propagate here as it can cause instability."
"We are happy to counsel the Shiite community on the practices of Malaysian Sunnis as what they are practising is a violation of our religious laws," he said.
Kamil, who was among those arrested in the December raid, will answer charges of preventing Islamic officials from carrying out their duties on February 17.
"Our future is very uncertain as we have lived here for centuries but now don't know for how long we can exist like this on the periphery of society," he said.
"We are treated as outcasts when we actually contribute much to society. We are fellow Muslims - treat us as such."
Till today this Day of Karbala is ‘celebrated’ by the Shiites. They have never forgiven their enemies and vow to one day seek revenge for what they did to Ali. This is why the Sunnis like the Malaysian Muslims fear the Shiites.
THE CORRIDORS OF POWER
Raja Petra Kamarudin
The AFP report below is most interesting. This is probably the first time that the issue has been brought out into the open and so we can now debate the issue. And the fact that a comment has been made by the newly installed, albeit controversial, Selangor State Secretary means it is very difficult to not debate the matter.
The issue of ‘deviant’ Muslims is not new and has been a problem for almost 1,400 years -- since the time of the death of Prophet Muhammad. I have in fact written about this many times although many feel I am not qualified to write about Islam or that I am distorting the truth. Actually, I am not writing about Islam from the theological angle. I am writing about history and you do not need to go to religious school to understand history.
As much as Muslims may disagree with me or resent what I say, we can’t deny one very important fact. And that is Ali, the Fourth Caliph of Medina, who was also the Prophet’s cousin and son-in-law, was in conflict with Aishah, the Prophet’s youngest wife and daughter of Abu Bakar, the First Caliph.
They can say that I am lying or distorting the truth and that the Prophet’s widow and son-in-law did not have ‘bad blood’. In that case how do you explain the War of the Camel where Aishah led a Muslim army from Mekah to attack Medina? And did not Aishah lose that war? And did not Ali capture Aishah and sent her back to Medina a free woman? And did not Ali’s followers get angry and many abandoned him for not upholding the law?
The law of that time was if you rebelled against the Ruler then you would be put to death and your family would be sold into slavery and your property would be confiscated. This was the law of the land then but Ali did not impose this on Aishah. That was why Ali lost support and many supporters abandoned him for not upholding the law and for showing favouritism towards Aishah, his stepmother.
There was another war that Ali was engaged in -- also Muslims versus Muslims -- and this was the war against Baghdad, who wanted the Islamic Empire to shift from Medina to Baghdad.
Eventually, Ali was assassinated and his supporters formed a movement or political party that was called Shiatul Ali or the Party of Ali, now known as Shiite for short. And Ali’s son, Hassan, was asked to head the movement.
Hassan too was assassinated and the supporters then approached Hussein, Hassan’s younger brother, and asked him to take over the leadership. Hussein was reluctant at first but eventually agreed.
Hussein was asked to invade Baghdad, which had broken away from Medina and had proclaimed independence under its own Umayyad Caliph. Ali was promised the support of the entire Muslim community but when he marched on Baghdad on 10 October 680 no one joined him and his ‘army’ of less than 100 soldiers was massacred by the 1,000 strong Umayyad army.
Till today this Day of Karbala is ‘celebrated’ by the Shiites. They have never forgiven their enemies and vow to one day seek revenge for what they did to Ali. This is why the Sunnis like the Malaysian Muslims fear the Shiites.
But this was not the only conflict between Sunni Muslims and those of the other sects. When the Wahab-Saud Alliance swept across the Arabian Peninsular soon after World War I, all those not of the Wahhabi sect were put to death (Jews and Christians were spared though, only Muslims were butchered). That is why the Sunnis fear the Wahhabis as well.
Actually, whether it is Sunnis, Shiites, Wahhabis, or whatever, they all profess to being Muslims. But they are Muslims of different sects. The only thing is these different sects came about because of politics and the political struggle to dominate the Middle Eastern region (was this not true of the Jews and Christians as well?).
Malaysian Muslims might regard the Shiites, Wahhabis, or those from the other sects, as deviants. The other sects also regard Malaysian Muslims as deviants. All Muslims regard those not of their sect as deviants. So, if all Muslims are deviants in each other’s eyes, then who are the true Muslims? It appears like no one is a true Muslim if you consider the views of the Muslims themselves.
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(AFP) - Like other Muslims they read the Koran and face Mecca to pray, but the Shiite community in Malaysia is considered a "deviant sect" and faces harassment in the multicultural country.
Religious authorities in December arrested 200 Shiites as they observed the holy day of Ashura, accusing them of threatening national security in a country where most of the 16.5 million Muslims are members of the Sunni sect.
The majority of those detained were Muslim Malays - who dominate the Malaysian population - joined by followers from Indonesia, Burma, Pakistan and Iran.
Former state religious department head Mohammed Khusrin Munawi, who led the December 16 raid, said that the faith, if left to grow, could undermine security as "fanatical followers of the sect consider other Muslims infidels".
"For them, the blood of the followers of other faiths is lawful which means that it is okay to kill (Sunnis)," he told the Utusan Malaysia newspaper.
"Shiite doctrine is more dangerous than other deviant teachings (as)... Shiite followers in Iran and India are fighting against other Muslims merely because of different faiths," he said.
The split dates back to a dispute over succession after the death of the Prophet Muhammad in 632.
In a country where non-Muslims are constitutionally free to practice their faith, the crackdown on an Islamic sect, which forms the majority in other countries, including Iran and Iraq, has raised concerns.
"Everyone in the country should have freedom of worship," Reverend Thomas Philips, head of the country's largest inter-religious council, told AFP.
"But in the Muslim context in Malaysia, they have a different understanding and so it is a very sensitive issue."
The estimated 40,000 Shiites in Malaysia are one of several Islamic sects under close watch by religious authorities, who crack down hard on so-called deviant Islamic groups.
A 1989 Islamic law and a 1996 fatwa by Malaysia's top Islamic clerics banned Shiism, declaring it a deviant ideology.
Malaysia has a dual-track legal system, with civil courts running in parallel with Islamic Sharia courts where Muslim Malays can be tried on religious and moral charges.
However, Chandra Muzaffar, head of rights group Just, says that religious officials are abusing their power.
"The Shiites are not deviants, they are very much part of the Muslim community and if you deny them, then you are saying that 15 percent of Muslims worldwide are also deviant," he said.
"They follow almost all the tenets of the majority Sunni sect and the differences are more political and historical so we should engage them through dialogue rather than carry out raids, arrest and prosecute them."
Kamil Zuhairi Abdul Aziz, 45, the Iranian-trained leader of the Hauzah ar-Redha or "Knowledge House" raided by authorities in December, says they are forced to practice their faith quietly.
"We are Muslims just like any other Muslims in the country but we live in fear as we are constantly attacked verbally and are often arrested and detained by authorities," he told AFP after prayers at the hauzah, the biggest of 40 Shiite community halls throughout the country.
"Shiism came to the shores of Malaysia in the 14th century when Islam arrived here as many of the Arabic, Indian and Persian traders who brought the religion were also Shiites.
"The authorities must recognise that we are not a recent phenomenon and that we should be respected just like any other faith in the country," he said in the hall filled with religious banners and pictures of Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
"We do not believe in bloodshed or that we are justified in killing anyone but yet these are the lies spread about us."
Community elder Muhammad Hassan, 72, said the last waves of arrests of Shiite followers in Malaysia came in 1997 and 2001.
He says his grandchildren are discriminated against in school and higher learning institutions, where religious teachers "criticise Shiites openly although they don't even understand or are bothered to even study our teachings."
State religious department head Marzuki Hussin told AFP "the bottom line is that Shiism clashes with Islam in Malaysia and so it cannot be allowed to propagate here as it can cause instability."
"We are happy to counsel the Shiite community on the practices of Malaysian Sunnis as what they are practising is a violation of our religious laws," he said.
Kamil, who was among those arrested in the December raid, will answer charges of preventing Islamic officials from carrying out their duties on February 17.
"Our future is very uncertain as we have lived here for centuries but now don't know for how long we can exist like this on the periphery of society," he said.
"We are treated as outcasts when we actually contribute much to society. We are fellow Muslims - treat us as such."
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written by earthman, February 09, 2011 13:44:03
From all the arguments , it looks like all the Muslim sects are deviants one way or another . That is why we have suicide bombers, corruptions, discrimination, looting , NEP, ISA, racism, ketuanan, arsons , and a few days ago the burning of two churches and a court house in Indonesia.
What is a deviant ? One who dont obey God? That is mercy and love that leads to forgiveness. If they love and obey God, then the above crimes against humanity would not have happened. So we can say that they are all deviant one way or another. They need to read and listen more and understand universal rights and the love of God. They must understand and know that at least the Christians loves them and are praying for their peace and safety.
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written by Navigator, February 09, 2011 13:07:36
In Malaysia, as the Chinese and Indian populations diminish, the fight amongst Malays will intensify. They will be cutting each other's throats as they do in the Middle East.
As more Malays study overseas in the Muslim countries which are known for their religious obsessions rather than academic excellence, they will become Shites, Wahabis, etc. They will bring the animosity back home and before long, they will be killing each other. As oil production declines, the economy gets worse, leading to high levels of unemployment. This is a gunpowder keg waiting for someone to light the fuse. UMNO has never had a good and enlightened leader: it has always had myopic policies. The UMNO members who make it by corruption will leave Malaysia to live in luxury in Australia, UK, Europe and USA. In 50 years, no decent person, especially Chinese and Indians, will want to stay here. Keep this in mind and tell me if I am right in 50 years.
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written by kevinD, February 09, 2011 02:03:11
and these buggers call other religions sesat!!! wat a confused lot u buggers are!!!
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written by OrangKaya, February 09, 2011 00:33:24
Look at the chinese, he can be a shiites, sunnis, christian, Buddhist, Taoist, etc eat pork, do not eat pork, vegetarian etc. Now you know why the chinese is rich because they are adaptable, survival of the fittest, Darwin Theory of Evolution. FREEDOM OF RELIGION is the chinese race, Pls note that I did not say CHINA.
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written by OrangKaya, February 09, 2011 00:26:57
Isn't Saudi is Wahabis? Why malaysia sunnis are riding on PetroSAUDI airplane to come back from Egypt. Is not sitiing on a deviant muslim plane haram?
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written by DPG, February 08, 2011 22:19:17
This is the end result when politics is mixed up with religion, like what PAS is doing, and like what the Islamic countries elsewhere are doing. Inevitably, it is man playing God, and this can only bring disaster to mankind and civilization. Although I am not a Muslim, the same argument can be applied to other religions, viz, Christianity, Buddhism, Taoism, Sikhism, Hinduism, etc. Leave religions alone, and leave it to man to make peace with his maker. I have always said that religion is a personal matter, and how he practises his religion is his own personal matter, and does not even concern his parents, his government/PM, or anybody else for that matter, because ultimately only he and he alone will answer to his creator, and not anybody else. And it is for this reason that I have always vehemently opposed the setting up of the shariah or their courts. Who can say that they represent God on this Earth?
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written by Aria, February 08, 2011 20:32:03
Sunni is a bad word in Tamil. Saying UMNO is a Sunni is very true.
All this boils down to intolerance - religious, race, color etc. Even if it is the same Muslim religion, the Malaysian Muslims cannot tolerate any deviance. This is a classic case of a spoiled child, where the child must get exactly what is wants or it throws a tantrum. The government has spoiled the Muslims to an extent that they think they should get everything they want; and if others have something they don't, they want that too. How much more can we tolerate this spoiled child?
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written by imanj, February 08, 2011 20:15:49
In my opinion no person can say that a faith practised in one's heart purely for GOD is wrong in another man's eye.. Faith is what good understanding one has of GOD's teachings. Faith is not oppressive or aggresive. Faith is not a ridiculous and mind boggling interpretation of GOD's teachings..Faith should never seem out of this world,exclusive,cult like and fearful..
Even if we are not of that faith we can only bring ourselves to just understand by knowing more..To query,to know to question only to be acceptable,accomodating and understanding of another faith..
So I share with you 3 Books..NAHJOL-BALAGHA ( Peak of Eloquence ) PESHAWAR NIGHTS & AL-MUJARA'AT ( A Shii'i-Sunni Dialogue )
And my household atmosphere is filled with the understanding and practises of the AHLUL-BAYT ( The Household of The Prophet Mohammad pubh )..
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written by Sribayu, February 08, 2011 19:10:38
The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshipped anything but himself...
That is why Allah had sent so many prophets/messengers from Adam to Muhammad to this world.....
shalom.. & peace
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written by arazak, February 08, 2011 19:07:42
Well. . ., let me tell you something here. . .
WE alrdeady knew that in Malaysia, those Muslims who practices Wahabis or Shitee are branded as deviants by the UMNO Sunis. Hence, those deviants should be prosceuted.
However, for the UMNO Sunis, it is ok for them to practice looting and thieving of the peoples' money as well as indulging into corruption. Those UMNO Sunis regarded that these practices do not flout their religious beliefs. That is why corruption and thieving is rampant within the UMNO Sunis' ranks.
Now compare that with what the Wahabis (whom the UMNO Sunis regared as deviant Muslims) are practicing in Saudi Arabia; if a person who is caught stealing, he will have his hand chopped off!
Man. . ., I am just imagining UMNO Sunis walking around without hands going to the Parliament if the same thing was practiced here as in Saudi Arabia.
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written by Smiles21, February 08, 2011 18:23:11
Sorry, I am not an Islamic scholar, but I am made to understand if one professes sincerely that Allah is his only God and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah then he has every right to claim himself as a Muslim. So to those so called pure Muslims, only God Allah knows truly how pure you are. If you are still passionate about sex, power and wealth you better keep your mouth shut and look after your own holes.
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written by pinsysu, February 08, 2011 17:54:56
when man plays God hell breaks loose ... when God played man it was for redemption.
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written by truthbespoken, February 08, 2011 17:39:05
Look around...looks like only communist nations can effectively control religious extremism the world over..hardly any squeaks in them..
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written by Fart Fart Wah, February 08, 2011 17:00:51
Forgiveness in Islam is rare. Mercy and compassion is also rare. If forgivenss is difficult mercy and compassion is even harder when it comes to kafirs in Malaysia. Non kafirs treat those born here as third class citizens. Even muslim migrants are treated better once they marry locals. As I said before in Islam submisson to Allah is bullshit. It is skewed to submission to man either the political leader or a religious leader. Allah promises a free man. These usurpers have made Allah stand in line and expressesly told him that it is time HE listens to them instead.So they use his name and make others submit to their rules and 700000 hududs saying Allah has instructed them to this. But the Koran contradicts this. The most sad thing in Islam is the abuse of women and the making of them to submit to man as a second class human being.they take women as they fanc, divorce as they fancy use them as they fancy and dump them as they fancy using the talak..a woman ahs no choice in Islam........Allah did not do that..
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written by Malaysiaputra, February 08, 2011 16:42:14
Man is suppose to worship God and not to kill each other in the name of God. After all God has destined a judgement day , so why are all these so called "holy" people comitting murder in the name of God ?. Why are men playing God ?.
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written by Nixcloud, February 08, 2011 15:28:59
well, jibby and fat mama got nothing to worry about then, they are practicing Hindus....
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written by cocomomo, February 08, 2011 14:02:32
Every individual has the basic right to believe what he wants. He cannot impose his beliefs on another. Even though he thinks his religion may allow him to, he should not do anything to hurt another. Certain believers believe theirs is the only true religion. Everyone is entitled to believe what he wants to believe but he should not try to impose that belief on others. What is the core religion in one country maybe considered deviant in another country. Who are we to judge what is truth? If you think what the other believes is not truth, leave it to him to answer to God if there ever is any answering to be done.
Why can't we all live in peace with each other and respect each other's faith without attacking another's faith or followers of that faith?
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written by Taikohtai, February 08, 2011 13:59:45
Holy Shit(e)!
Am I glad I am not of the Islamic faith nor a believer of a creator God.
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written by educationist, February 08, 2011 13:57:49
TQ , RPK for making clear what has been a source of confusion for me.
So, the "deviants Shites" are by the definition of the UMNOputras only!!
It does not stem from their religous practises or beliefs!!
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written by syd, February 08, 2011 13:49:03
It is time to close the religious department and the syariah courts.
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written by singhkris, February 08, 2011 13:41:40
I am not a Muslim. I do not understand. So does it mean that all these killings that take place in Iraq, Iran, Pakistan and Afganistan - which sometimes take place in mosques during Friday prayers - done by Shiites against Sunnis and vice versa?
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written by earthman, February 08, 2011 13:40:05
That is the problems when man try to play god or the keepers of their god's revelations or doctrines. Its okay if they prosecute their own believers but not others who differs from them. This arrogance and blindness on their part. If they can reason that communism is wrong which they also practiced, but yet they boast that their's is right. All that we can think of is that they are blind and hearts are hardened. Nothing seem to help them to see as hard core criminals are also alike.
We should not only be free to practice our faith but also to covert to others as one sees fit. This is our rights as human as even the animals have rights. I am afraid that Muslims who support freedom of worship but not to apostatize are a part of the problems that tips to overwhelm the earth. And Muslims who keep quiet when they see persecutions of other faiths or the religious parks around them in Malaysia, are also a part of the problems of disharmony on earth. By keeping silent, we are consenting to it and practicing hypocrisy . To live is to work for good and not to exist and eat only.
The solution is to have regular open debate of all faiths that will either enlighten us or cause a war? Why war? Because the devil of lies will not let the world be free but to be destroyed. In the name of insulting their gods or prophets they will shed blood as they believed what their religions teaches them is the right thing to do and will be rewarded. Fools will only falls into the trap of the devil. Lets us be humble and use our brain for once and listen to others' ideas and opinions. For once let us listen with our hearts . Lets pray for openness and rationality to prevail that we all be free to love one another as God loves us all.
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written by Badaksumbu, February 08, 2011 13:08:14
We're in dire need to have leader/s that are sensible enough--why religion spells the bad blood all time??
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